Danielle commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace, Confirms...
Remember how you downplayed the importance of this topic a few blog posts back? Well the discussion on Redzone on Second Life Universe / General Discussion is now the longest thread ever with over 7000...
View ArticleHamlet Au commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace, Confirms...
"how you downplayed the importance"Not exactly: I questioned how *widespread* the controversy was. I'm still skeptical about that. The JIRA and blog/forum activity definitely shows intense interest by...
View ArticleAdeon Writer commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
So can I get in trouble for mentioning to a friend that someone sounds like the same person as someone else on voice? Where do you draw the line? Most alts are just to obvious.
View ArticleMarx Dudek commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Adeon: That would be a personal opinion."Person A and Person B are both connecting to the Vivox servers from the same IP" would not.
View ArticleArcadian Vanalten commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
So, no longer for sale on SLX, but does that mean not allowed in-world at all? Specifically, can other sales channels still supply RZ? And are the existing RZ devices in-world still active, or are they...
View ArticleMarx Dudek commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
Also, this is the second time that RedZone has been removed by Linden Lab. It was restored after zFire Xue claimed to recode the device to make it compliant with the new Community Standards.However,...
View ArticleAdeon Writer commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Marx Thanks for the clarification. That sounds entirely fair.@Hamlet I would assume that non-disclosed discovery of alts (even by IP) would nof constitute "sharing" as that would force things such as...
View ArticleNine Warrhol commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
Nice move LL! This shows that you are at least listening to your customers. THANK YOU!!!!
View ArticleMarx Dudek commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Arcadian: I'm sure that if it is, LL will make a clear and definitive announcement to that effect.The question is, what happens to the data already collected by the creator - data that he has been...
View ArticleJoshua Philgarlic commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
1. RZ is still available inworld. 2. According to my GreenZone HUD the system is still active.So, where's the sense of just removing it from Marketplace? If people like to get it, they still can!
View ArticleDanielle commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace, Confirms...
@ Hamlet - I see parallels to how the Adult Content discussion played out. At first there was intense discussion on the Forums by engaged residents, then it spread to the general population by the...
View ArticleInara Pey commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace, Confirms...
Congrats, Hamlet.Only a week behind things now. And you may not view your initial report as "downplaying", but overall it came across as somewhat dismissive of the entire situation.
View ArticleHamlet Au commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace, Confirms...
"overall it came across as somewhat dismissive of the entire situation"That wasn't my intent but I can see how it could be read that way -- in retrospect I would have written it differently.
View ArticleEzra commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace, Confirms...
I'm against automated revealing of alts, but the phrasing there makes it sound as if I could lose my account if I casually go "Oh yeah that's so and so." Privacy is fine, but there's a lot of people...
View ArticleSling Trebuchet commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
Good luck with getting LL to explain "sharing"Back on February 25th I posted in 'that' JIRA =============================================== Sling Trebuchet added a comment - 25/Feb/11 6:25 AM"Residents...
View ArticleArcadian Vanalten commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@ Ezra, those personal TOS things don't fly, though. You can SAY you have claimed a right to violate someone's privacy, but that doesn't make it so. You can also claim you have a right to someone...
View ArticleSling Trebuchet commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
As ever, the interesting question is:If something is taken off Marketplace because it violates TOS/CS, why are instances of it allowed to remain rezzed on the grid?
View ArticleEzra commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace, Confirms...
@SlingIt's fair for Linden Lab to give people time to comply with new policy rather than immediately take action against them. Since this policy is new, all offending owners of rezzed RedZone objects...
View ArticleCarter Giacobini commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
I personally believe that if someone's alt is revealed, so what? Almost everyone I know has alts and no one I know uses those alts for anything sinister. And, if you are using your alts for something...
View ArticleSling Trebuchet commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Carter What if you had to create an alt to escape someone sinister? Would you like them to have an alt-tracking facility? Hell No!
View ArticleAdeon Writer commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Sling: Of course not. So you'd make sure you don't give them the ability to make the connection. Because as long as they're not *disclosing* that information to others, they're not violating ToS. LL...
View ArticleCiaran Laval commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
I'm not really sure what the issue is with LL removing this device, it is abusing the media features, that alone should be enough to have the creator and users of the system slapped.Redzone users...
View ArticleCarter Giacobini commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Sling - Thankfully, I've never had to do that. But, I can totally understand where you're coming from on that.@Ciaran - I've never understood why it Estate Ban List doesn't give you an option to ban...
View ArticleAdeon Writer commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Carter As has been said countless times, LL does not, will not, and never should allow ban by IP address as IP addresses are neither permenent nor unique.That is to say, one person uses many IP...
View ArticleAdeon Writer commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Carter (It should also be clearly obvious that allowing ban by IP would make it super easy to figure out alts anyway. Just ban and watch who else vanishes.)
View ArticleCarter Giacobini commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Adeon - what about those accounts that have been banned by LL at the IP address level?
View ArticleAdeon Writer commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Charter: That's because LL can see the IP address, and know if it's a college dorm, library, home network, etc. They also know all of the IP's that avatar has been using, and have a nice little map of...
View ArticleCarter Giacobini commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Adeon - do you personally track every single person that comes and goes from a public sim? Even if it's yours? If I did that for the public sims I've owned, that would be a full time job in itself.
View ArticleInara Pey commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace, Confirms...
"That wasn't my intent but I can see how it could be read that way -- in retrospect I would have written it differently."Hindsight is a wonderful thing, Hamlet - but no substitute for actually...
View ArticleNalates Urriah commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
I agree with Hamlet. The interest in RedZone is less than the interest in many other things. RedZone comes in 22nd in my blog stats (Google Analytics). WebKit is #1, but I suspect that is from people...
View ArticleAlexandra Rucker commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
Hamlet wrote: "...The JIRA and blog/forum activity definitely shows intense interest by a subset of SL users, but that's not necessarily the same thing...."As someone who's dealt with users in a...
View ArticleAnn Otoole InSL commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
Devices collecting data about other users without consent remain in violation of the SL TOS Section 8.3(i). And they are still doing so. And not just redzone. Not over yet. LL must remove the lsl...
View ArticleFoneco Zuzu commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
My Ip server is not fixed. That means that the same ip adress can be used by several ppl. In more then 10 years with same provider i got banned twice from foruns that tracked Ip's On both times...
View ArticleTateru Nino commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Ann"LL must remove the lsl function that enables the harvesting or collection of data without consent."That's all Web-access from the client, and all support for parcel media (audio and video) and all...
View ArticleAnn Otoole InSL commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@tateru: The issue is not that. The issue is user preferences for privacy can be overridden by certain LSL calls. LL needs to remove those calls since there appears to be no purpose for them other than...
View ArticleAdeon Writer commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
The calls in question also make in-world TV's work, so expect them to break for the billionth time when it (let's be specific here, any scripter can tell you that the call being abused is...
View ArticleArcadia Codesmith commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
A ban-by-IP function isn't perfect and might result in some innocents being banned.So what?If "ban by IP" is made available, bump up the permit list to take priority and allow manually unbanning by...
View ArticleAdeon Writer commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
As I said before resident indiced Ban-by-IP is an awesome tool figuring out alts. When Linden feels like shooting themselves in the foot I'm sure they'll implement it.
View ArticleEv commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace, Confirms...
@Carter.. Thanks for showing the other side of this. I also purchased redzone.My reason was very specific; a terrifying stalker who was incredibly threatening. The whole stalker thing goes both ways;...
View ArticleAnn Otoole InSL commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Adeon - and if LL made it so that function respected privacy settings then TVs would keep working while harvesters that hammer people who opted out would get no prize. Fair solution?
View ArticleCiaran Laval commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Ev and just what had your friends whom you found out interesting facts about done to deserve being on the Redzone database? That's why the tool is wrong, it has no business sharing that information.
View ArticleArcadian Vanalten commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
And were your friends aware that you know all those interesting things? Do they know yet that they've been violated by you thusly? That's the other part about it...notification that you're being...
View ArticleEmperor Norton commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
Ev @ "The whole stalker thing goes both ways; as a victim, it helped me to identify and secure my private SL space (my parcel) from those I was truly scared of. "You were scared of another _avatar_,...
View ArticleRawst Berry commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Carter Giacobini You may think that sharing alt information is innocent, but its not your decision to make for other people what information should be shared. One of my friends had to make a new...
View ArticleCiaran Laval commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
@Rawst Berry, of course griefers wouldn't link their alts, but LL would notice a lot of accounts logging in from the same IP address, which would right away signify suspicious behaviour, as it stands...
View ArticleAnn Otoole InSL commented on 'Linden Lab Removes Redzone from Marketplace,...
To bring this article up to date:zFire and his crew are all missing from Secondlife. The redzone store was dismantled by LL. The authorities took his illegal pet raccoon away irl.
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